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    • #277409
      MasterPlumbers
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      I will be building a new home and would like to install wall mounted toilets. Are there any pros and/or cons reguarding wall mounted toilets? Which brand would you recommend? I think there is one that might be a dual flush system of 1.6 and .8 gal??? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
      Thanks,
      Liz liz.lindsay@netzero.com

    • #296151
      Retired plbg1
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      I think they are ok. but look commercial to me but they have some new ones out. Hers one from American Standard which can be bought at Plumbing supplyhouse. Glenwall Toilet 2093. Ser. You might check these Plumbing suppliers. http://www.americanstandard.com http://www.kohlerco.com http://www.eljer.com http://www.gerber.com
      Also look up wall hung toilets on http://www.google.com



      Art retired plbg

    • #296152
      Retired plbg1
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      That toilet pic. is from American standard.



      Art retired plbg

    • #296153
      AKPlumber
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      I don’t like wall mounted toilets for residential use whatsoever. Especially in environments with many children or large pets. I have seen many instances where a heavy object such as a small child jumping up and down on these cracks the porcelian away from the bolts holding them into the studs and they come off the wall permanently damaged. Also, these toilets use a specialised seal ring gasket, not the typical wax ring type but one made of some kind of polypropylene rubber applied with an epoxy, and these gasket kits are very expensive (usually around 20$ or more as compared to around 3$ for typical wax). And they are a real pain to re-install sometimes, as the bolts need to be adjusted for length at times and they are heavy and awkward to bolt up. I just don’t like them, but that’s just my opinion.

    • #296154
      Retired plbg1
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      Did you get achance to look them up on web, let me know what you get. awp35@jcn.net



      Art retired plbg

    • #296155
      AKPlumber
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      Oh, did I mention the wall mounts are expensive?? The local supply houses here want a minimum 500 to even 700$ for them. The last time I bought one I thought I was working for the military.

    • #296156
      nicktheplumber
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      I agree with AK that wall mounts look commercial, are a pain to install and repair, and are just too damned expensive in every way. About the only good thing you can say about them is that they allow easy cleaning of the floor beneath them, which is the main reason why they are used in commercial/industrial/public applications.

      Another problem with their use in residential structures is that they must be anchored in rock solid fashion to the wall. Unfortunately most residential structures in the US are not normally built solid enough to sustain them during their use (and inevitable abuse). If you really want to install a wall mount, you’ll at least have to sister the studs behind the wall. Furthermore, your waste stack will need to be plumbed differently than the usual.

      NtP

    • #296157
      cortezc
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      Wall hung toilets require very substantial wall hung carriers. These carriers cost more than the toilet and require a lot of labor to install. Normally you will not be able to use the wall hung with conventional framing. The extra expense outweighs any advantage. The only advantage I know of is the sainitary aspect in that you have a totally open floor for cleaning…..Now you have a wall to worry about cleaning…. I would not reccommend for residential use.

    • #296158
      AKPlumber
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      The carriers cost more than the toilet?? More than 600$?
      I’ve never installed a carrier before, but the residential ones I’ve seen, while “substantial”, are’nt exactly 600$ worth of hardware either, it’s basically just some framing and two bolts which protrude from it through the wall and are adjustable. If they cost that much I’m in the wrong business….
      not saying you’re wrong, I guess just expressing shock!

      » This message has been edited by AKPlumber on 28 November 2004

    • #296159
      Retired plbg1
      Participant

      If the carrier is installed right and supported and anchored they will hold up I put in alot of them on commercial work and never had any trouble, of course a com. carrier is different then residential but as I say do it right and they will be ok.



      Art retired plbg

    • #296160
      nicktheplumber
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      In reply to message posted by AKPlumber:
      The carriers cost more than the toilet?? More than 600$?
      I’ve never installed a carrier before, but the residential ones I’ve seen, while “substantial”, are’nt exactly 600$ worth of hardware either, it’s basically just some framing and two bolts which protrude from it through the wall and are adjustable. If they cost that much I’m in the wrong business….
      not saying you’re wrong, I guess just expressing shock!


      These carriers can be gotten for about $90-150. But to be fair to Cortezc, what I think he meant wast the cost of the hardware PLUS the work to install them to the framing (plus finishing the work, such as tiling, etc.). That can easily bring the job to $600…indeed $600 would be a lowball estimate.

      NtP

    • #296161
      AKPlumber
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      Thanks for the info guys.

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