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[MasterPlumbersKeymaster]

Has anyone but me had problems with polybutylene pipe leaks in places other than the internal fittings. It seems neither of the class action suits will pay unless you have internal fittings.
I recently had multiple leaks detected under the slab of my home. All of the pipe underground was ploy but none of it had the internal fittings. I am now told by the cox fox none of the expense to repair/replace the pipe is covered.
Any feedback on others with this same problem please respond. If there are enough of us maybe we can get someone to represent our interest. Seems the original suits didn’t take into account breakdowns in the pipe itself.

[hjParticipant]

Almost all of my problems with poly have been with the pipe, but I have never had installations where the pipe was in the floor. That may be the difference with your claim.

[Poly DoctorParticipant]

Yes, you need at least one fitting to qualify for the current settlement funds. However, the fitting can be anywhere in the house. What you need is an independent inspection by a local plumber or, better yet, a repipe expert. Even if the leak is in the pipe, providing you have a qualifying fitting anywhere in the system, you may qualify for a full repipe. We can refer a contractor in your area. If you are interested, e-mail us at [email protected].

Following is a general post that we post in response to poly questions on the web.

RESPONSE: Comprehensive and FACTUAL Information Site for Polybutylene Information, Class Action Links and Contractor Opportunities. This site hides nothing and is here to HELP you – http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/polybutyleneplumbing

There are some sites that appear to be providing you with complete information about polybutylene. Some of these are commercial sites in the poly replacement business. They tell you what they want you to know. And some tell you different stories. Plumbing Express using their site http://www.polybutylene.com states that they do not use subcontractors, but they are advertising for subcontractors to do repipe work. I would not recommend a subcontractor in your home. They also list their site as providing the most accurate information. I urge you to questions some of the statements they make. And most important, question the references and testimonials they list. You will find that some of the names of the people providing the references cannot be found in the areas that Plumbing Express notes. The best thing to do is ask for the phone numbers of some of the testimonials that you select, or try to get the phone number from information. You will be amazed how inaccurate some of the information they provide is, and how misleading some of the testimonials are.

Some repipe companies do not even want you to have the class action phone numbers, even though they claim to be information sites with complete information. A better name would be Poly Info Limited for these sites. When you do see them posting a class action phone number some of these sites it is generally for someone that has already missed the deadline for filing. For example, you will see them post the phone numbers for the class actions when it is an exterior line that is older than 10 years old. If it is less than 10 years old or they are not sure, they will direct you to their site and try to sell you the job for the highest price possible.

If you do not qualify for the class action suits do NOT simply let a contractor tell you there are no alternatives. We can provide you with alternative solutions, as well as a list of top contractors to get estimates from. You certainly need more than one or two estimates and several referrals. We will also tell you the questions to ask your contractor to make sure they have crews that are qualified to do the work in your home. For example, make sure you ask any contractor if he has left a job and the house caught fire from hotspots they left in the walls. This is a very key question.

Also be sure to ask all companies for a few phone numbers of the references or testimonials they show you. Don’t let them select which ones if they are featured on a website. Just ask them for the names and phone numbers of the ones you want to call. You may find some surprises.

Here are some reliable websites with additional information :

Polybutylene Information Help Site – 5 STAR SITE – http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/polybutyleneplumbing

Polybutylene Question and Answer Forum (NEW) – http://www.deja.com/~polybutyleneplumbing/

Master Plumbers Bulletin Board – 5 STAR SITE – http://www.masterplumbers.com/wwwboard_index.html

Terry Love Plumbing Bulleting Board – 5 STAR SITE – http://terrylove.com/wwwboard/

Dynamic Plumbing Information Forum – 5 STAR SITE – http://www.plbg.com/cgi-bin/forum.pl?&main&&view_by_order

Consumer Plumbing Recovery Center – 800-356-3496 – http://www.pbpipe.com

Spencer Class Facility – 800-490-6997 – http://www.spencerclass.com/
Poly site that references Class
Action Lawsuit filed by the insurance industry against the poly resin manufacturers -www.businessinsurance.com/mktplace/ad0308.html

Site with Key Dates involved in the development and problems associated with polybutylene plumbing systems – http://cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/home/pipes/chronology.html

Site with confidential documents from Shell!!! – http://tv.cbc.ca/market/files/home/pipes/memo1.html

Canadian Homeowners – http://www.siskind.com/classpipe.html

Canadian Homeowners – http://www.poynerbaxter.com/

SPECIAL NOTE: If you would like referrals to reliable contractors in your area or you want to know more about your contractor, please e-mail . . . [email protected] or visit http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/polybutyleneplumbing

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Poly Doctor

[Poly DoctorParticipant]

Your best bet is to call in an expert to inspect your home. Even if you have one qualifying fitting, and the pipe leaks, you may still qualify. The leak does not necessarily have to be at the fitting, but you need at least one qualifying fitting in the system. You may need to search for that one fitting, but it is most likely there. If you need a referral for a repipe expert in your area, please e-mail us at: [email protected]

And here is some additional info on polybutylene.

Comprehensive and FACTUAL Information Site for Polybutylene Information, Class Action Links and Contractor Opportunities. This site hides nothing and is here to HELP you –
http://www.polybutylene411.org

This is a not for profit site that is here for one reason . . . to help you deal with repipe issues.

There are some sites that appear to be providing you with complete information about polybutylene. Some of these are commercial sites in the poly replacement business. They tell you what they want you to know. And some tell you different stories. Plumbing Express using their site http://www.polybutylene.com states that they do not use subcontractors, but they are advertising for subcontractors to do repipe work. We do NOT recommend you allowing a subcontractor to do repipe work in your home. Plumbing Express also lists their site as providing the most accurate information. I urge you to question some of the statements they make. And most important, question the references and testimonials they list. You will find that some of the names of the people providing the references cannot be found in the areas that Plumbing Express notes. The best thing to do is ask for the phone numbers of some of the testimonials that you select, or try to get the phone number from information. You will be amazed how inaccurate some of the information they provide is, and how misleading some of the testimonials are.

Some repipe companies do not even want you to have the class action phone numbers, even though they claim to be information sites with complete information. A better name would be Poly Info Limited for these sites. When you do see them posting a class action phone number some of these sites it is generally for someone that has already missed the deadline for filing. For example, you will see them post the phone numbers for the class actions when it is an exterior line that is older than 10 years old. If it is less than 10 years old or they are not sure, they will direct you to their site and try to sell you the job for the highest price possible.

If you do not qualify for the class action suits do NOT simply let a contractor tell you there are no alternatives. We can provide you with alternative solutions, as well as a list of top contractors to get estimates from. You certainly need more than one or two estimates and several referrals. We will also tell you the questions to ask your contractor to make sure they have crews that are qualified to do the work in your home. For example, make sure you ask any contractor if he has left a job and the house caught fire from hotspots they left in the walls. This is a very key question.

Also be sure to ask all companies for a few phone numbers of the references or testimonials they show you. Don’t let them select which ones if they are featured on a website. Just ask them for the names and phone numbers of the ones you want to call. You may find some surprises.

Here are some reliable websites with additional information :

Polybutylene Information Help Site – 5 STAR SITE – http:/polybutylene411.org

Polybutylene Question and Answer Forum (NEW) – http://www.deja.com/~polybutyleneplumbing/

Master Plumbers Bulletin Board – 5 STAR SITE – http://www.masterplumbers.com/wwwboard_index.html

Terry Love Plumbing Bulleting Board – 5 STAR SITE – http://terrylove.com/wwwboard/

Dynamic Plumbing Information Forum – http://www.plbg.com/cgi-bin/forum.pl?&main&&view_by_order

CLASS ACTION – Consumer Plumbing Recovery Center – 800-356-3496 – http://www.pbpipe.com

CLASS ACTION – Spencer Class Facility – 800-490-6997 – http://www.spencerclass.com/

CLASS ACTION – Canadian Homeowners – http://www.siskind.com/classpipe.html

CLASS ACTION – Canadian Homeowners – http://www.poynerbaxter.com/

Poly site that references Class Action Lawsuit filed by the insurance industry against the poly resin manufacturers -www.businessinsurance.com/mktplace/ad0308.html

Site with Key Dates involved in the development and problems associated with polybutylene plumbing systems – http://cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/home/pipes/chronology.html

Site with confidential documents from Shell!!! – http://tv.cbc.ca/market/files/home/pipes/memo1.html

SPECIAL NOTE: If you would like referrals to reliable contractors in your area or you want to know more about your contractor, please e-mail . . . [email protected] or visit http://polybutylene411.org

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Poly Doctor

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