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: : , : : First I wish to say what a neat site this is. I just : : discovered it and I wanted to say how useful I find it.! : : Now, I remember hearing and seeing reports about : : a year ago regarding certain brands of black abs pipe : : that was made in a defective manner so as to break : : easily after installation. I believe one of the companies : : names I saw relating to this was Phoenix. : : Well, my Brother in Law is a general contractor and : : he suddenly finds himself with a lawsuit from a : : homeowner who lives in a home my In-Law built 10 : : years ago. The claim is that the abs pipe used in : : the construction is of the defective variety. : : Although there are no problems now the homeowner : : is bringing suit now just in case. : : I was hoping that someone here might also have heard : : of this abs pipe and if some of the plumbing pros here : : could give me(us) more info on the situation. : : My B-in-law used a plumbing contractor who still : : has a well established business to plumb the homes : : 10 years ago. That plumber recalls a problem with certain : : abs pipe but cannot offer any real information. : : Any help would be great!! : : And keep up the great source of info and resources : : that you have here. It is good for all; homeowners/ : : renters and plumbing pros! : : James : : [email protected]: James,: I have not heard of any problems with defective ABS pipe, : I will attempt to find out any info I can, let me know : if you find out anything. : We have had a lot of problems with defective polybutylene : pipe, blue underground, grey inside the home….: KGMessage from john!A few manufacturers have produced defective ABS piping. I am familiar with a few brands of pipe. Im not sure where you are located – I live in california. Check the name and date stamp on the ABS piping. If the pipe is made by PHEONIX – its all bad. If teh pipe was made by CENTAUR – look at the four letter code, if it starts with SE to SK than its bad pipe. Gable Plasitcs, Polaris, and Apache plastics extruded potentiall bad pipe between the first half of the year in 1985.If you would like additional informaion, please flle free to E-mail me.John