SylvanLMP
CC you must know where folks like “Jack” come from. His original post was from a guy who went to a home center THEN he had the nerve to second guess the Maven at this home center. Jack IS IMHO a guy who has no problem putting his family at risk as long as the “price is right” ( other wise he would have looked for a LICENSED and INSURED contractor).
Here he already received “FREE” advice then second guessed it. Jack has NO CREDIBILITY so just ignore his type. He said the store clerk was a retired Plumber BUT if someone is retired I thought that means NON working. My top journeyman gets slightly over $55 PER HR in the envelope for a 35 HR work week (anything over 35 hr. is Double time) SO this is way out of folks like Jacks league.
Now for your posting kind sir “Sylvan. Leave the practice of law to licensed professionals.
I find it interesting that while you are the first to criticize those who practice your trade with insufficient training and/or LMPs who fail to consult local codes governing the profession, you fail to consider that civil laws exist which allow for suit to be brought against an individual and his/her lawyer for threatening a bogus, harassing, or nuisance cause of action.”
There is NOTHING “bogus” with incompetence in any field including plumbing
By arbitrarily reducing a pipe size is NOT a nuisance to the victims who this happens to.
About Leave it to the legal expert I have been hired by 4 different law firm as an “expert witness” I have been called in on a consultation on code issues for the US Postal Service.
When that “nuisance” hot water heater exploded in Oklahoma killing several children in the school it happened I was flown to Oklahoma to give my report to a federal agency PAID @ $225 PER HR 24-7 plus expensive, hotel food etc.
When a 4 year old was scalded over 60% of her body the NUISANCE law suit was settled with the building owner serving jail time for criminal neglect.
When The Christian science building had GREEN “Nuisance” boiler chemical feed water being pumped into their domestic water supply from a NON LICENSED guy putting chemical flushing agents into a boiler on a building 1/4 mile away THE folks who got deathly sick But hey you consider this bogus.
The original question was a reduction by FOUR pipe diameters (in volume) and you consider this “harassing” BUT suppose YOUR child was in the shower and the outside sprinkler went off and the cold water just died leaving strictly hot water YOU still think It should be forgotten?
CC why not take your children to an unlicensed doctor LIKE Good OLE Jack would do in a heart beat as Price means everything.
I don’t know if your a Master Plumber or not CC BUT considering a LMP has to go for at least a 5 year apprenticeship THEN work in the trade another 5 years (now 7 years total) before you can even take the masters exam WHY should we tolerate non licensed folks dabbling in this profession DRIVING up our insurance do to incompetence? My insurance is now $40,000 + per year (that is $800 per week)
My office space is just under $1,800 per month and my shop space is $1,400.
My drain cleaning van has one jetter on it worth over $12,000 plus all the other equipment like Video inspection and locator plus various snakes and small jetters to the TUNE of $46,000 NOT including the van.
My plumbing vans are fully stocked and each van has well over $60,000 worth of materials SO DAMN RIGHT I WANT to get the unlicensed/uninsured mutts out of this profession. The kind of mutt that the Jacks of the world would hire they deserve each other. My allowance for “training” of my employees is over $1000 per year per man.
I believe in a fair days work for a fair days pay and that is why my top mechanic does make $55 per HR (not including benefits) ( the helper gets $22.75 per HR) could you imagine a Jack person getting a bill that I charge my accounts to cover my over head and PROFIT? His mentality (inside joke) thinks he is the only one entitled to make a living other wise HE would never second guess a store clerk. He deserves EXACTLY what the home center gives him.
When we as plumbers need to be certified welders and know about drain cleaning and OSHA and NIOSH and ASME and ASSE and NFPA and Barrier free designs (ADA) WHY should we over look the jack legs who have no formal education in these trades (plumbing/electrical / HVAC) give it a break CC .
IM not talking about the fly by night that replaces washers or the faucet replacement guys IM talking about the ones who install under sized flu piping or undersized gas lines.
Just THINK about it. If your paying a mechanic in the envelope $1925 per 35 hr work week Plus bennies wouldn’t you be slightly upset having them compared to a home center maven? Have a great one.
